Post Edited: himself said that he couldn't quite complete the sage mode, only naruto could.Īnd Naruto, with the help of 3 Giant Toads, Ma & Pa, all the information on Pein thanks to intelligence by Tsuande's Slug and Hinata's save, still couldn't quite beat Pein. Pein did say at the end if Jiraiya knew his secret that he could never had won, but I don't know if Jiraiya figured that particular secret out in the end. If Jiraiya knew anything about Pein from the beginning, Pein may not had been able to win.Įven after Jiraiya lost one of his arms it should had been impossible for him to win, for anyone no matter how powerful to win, but he still managed to kill another of Pein's bodies (making it 4 times he killed Pein). And yet, Jiraiya fought off all the summons and managed to kill Pein 4 times. 21, or 22 if you count Jiraiya's fight with Konan. Pein had all of the advantages: home-field, knowledge, secrets, and numbers. he thought he knew some stuff but it turned out to be wrong. In the first fight Jiraiya attacked blindly, not knowing about the ninjutsu absorbtion, shared vision, multiple bodies, hax resurrection, or chakra-controlling spikes, but he figured all that out and was able to come up with a strategy to break them apart and play on their weaknesses, at which point I don't even think the Frog Song was needed to kill them anymore.Īnd going into that fight, Pein knew almost everything about Jiraiya but Jiraiya knew nothing about Pein.

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